Russia Is Not Gog Magog Meschech Or Tubal

Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: (Ezekiel 38:1-4)

Following the flood, Noah and his three sons, Ham, Shem and Japheth populated the entire world. To figure out who these people are today, we must first figure out which racial grouping they belong to. Magog, Meshech and Tubal are all Japhethite people according to Genesis 10:2.

Who are the Japhethite people today? Many people identify white Caucasians with Japhethite people. However, we know, judging by skull shape, that white Caucasians are the same racial group, that is Caucasoid, as many of the middle easterners such as the Iraqi, Persian and Syrian peoples. Iraqi’s are descendent of Asshur, and the Persian or Iranian peoples are descendent from Elam. Flavius Joseph, the 1st century historian, identified the Arameans, who are modern day Syrians, with Shem’s son Aram. Considering the above mentioned skull shape evidence, white Caucasians, like the Iraqi’s, Iranians, and Syrians, would therefore have to be Shemites as well. The reason that Satan has put forth such effort to convince the world that white people are Japhethites, despite observational common sense, is because he is trying to conceal their true identity. That of being one of The Lost Tribes of Israel.

caucasoid, mongoloid, negroid skull differences

We know that black people are Hamites, modernly known as Negroids, and the middle eastern peoples and white people are Shemites, modernly known as Caucasoid. Therefore, by process of elimination, Japhethites must be the Mongoloid peoples.

Therefore, because Magog, Meshech, Gomer and Tubal are all Japhethite nations, we know that Russia, being a Shemitic Caucasian nation, could not possibly be one of the aforementioned Japhethite nations.

Who is Magog?

Magog is the second of the sons of Japheth (Genesis 10:2).

Prior to the atmosphere of era Soviet fear during the cold way, most Christian scholars believed the land of Magog to be in the northern part of modern day Turkey (Asia Minor). Magog is usually associated with the ancient kingdom of Lydia.

lydia map, asia minor map“…(Referring to the Roman historian Pliny) In his multi-volume work called The Natural History, Pliny identifies the ancient Lydian city of Hierapolis as being part of Magog. Built atop the cliffs, the city of Hierapolis controlled the water supply of the Lydian city of Laodicea six miles to the south. The city of Hierapolis was built by the Lydians and always under Lydian control until the Lydian Kingdom became part of the Persian Empire in 546 BC and then part of the Greek and Roman Empires that followed. Like Pliny, today’s archeologists also identify Magog with the ancient nation of Lydia, which was in western Asia Minor. Indeed, written records from the Assyrian royal court show that the Assyrians used the name Magog as an eponym for the nation of Lydia. In his book Pliny writes, “Bambyx the other name of which is Hierapolis, but by the Syrians called Magog.”* In other words, Pliny identifies the famed Lydian city of Hierapolis as being part of Magog. In this we see that Magog is another name for the ancient nation of Lydia.” [Jeffrey Goodman, The Comets of God, pp. 474]

The original non-white inhabitants of Italy, who dominated Italy until the Battle of Veii in 396 BC, the Etruscans, were originally from Lydia according to Herodotus. Archeological finds seem to confirm this theory. The “Lemnian Inscription,” which was dated to 600BC linked the languages of the Etruscans to that of one used in Asia Minor.

Genetic evidence also provides more evidence.

“Genetic research made public at the weekend appears to put the matter beyond doubt, however. It shows the Etruscans came from the area which is now Turkey – and that the nearest genetic relatives of many of today’s Tuscans and Umbrians are to be found, not in Italy, but around Izmir.

The latest findings confirm what was said about the matter almost 2,500 years ago, by the Greek historian Herodotus.” [source]

Mongoloid features in Turks

Turkish people, though now having significant Caucasoid admixture, still carry a large amount of their original mongoloid DNA. The eastern areas of Turkey are more Mongoloid in appearance.

This genetic evidence corresponds to what we already earlier figured out about Magog. They are a mongoloid people, specifically identified with the Turkish peoples.

Who is Meschech?

Meschech was the sixth son of Japheth (Genesis 10:2). Meschech is probably best identified with the Meskhi, a Turkish people who inhabited the Meskheti mountain range in southern Georgia, between the Black and the Caspian Seas. The majority of the modern Geogian population of Meskheti, living in the Meskheti region of southern Georgia, are descendents of the original ancient tribes.

There is also a considerable presence of Mescketi Turks in Ajerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan.

gog, magog, meschech, tubal, gomer map

Who is Tubal?

After the Soviet Union restructured in the Gorbachev-Reagan era, the Russian pronunciation of the capital of Georgia – Tiflis – was dropped, and the nation took back its ancestral name of Tblisi. In the Georgian dialect, the ethnic suffix isi means “the land of.” Furthermore, in that same ancient dialect, which is unique among linguistic groups, the consonants T and B are specifically separated by a gutteral U sound. The actual verbalization of Tblisi is “Tuh – ooh – ball – eesee.” In short, the name literally translates as “the land of Tubal.” This is the capital of the modern republic of Georgia. [James Lloyd, Gog and Magog Are Gathering Momentum, Christian Media Network]

The proto-Georgian tribes probably settled on the Black Sea coast somewhere in the Middle Bronze Age. One of these ancient tribes was Tubal [Source]. Their first appeararnce in written history was in the 12th century BC.

The ancient Greeks such as Strabo, Herodotus, Plutarch and Homer referred to the early eastern Georgians as Iberians. The Roman historians Tacitus and Titus Livius made the same connection. Many believe the origin of the name Iberian is derived from the state of Tibareni, referred to as Tubal in the Bible. A recent scholarly treatment on the origin of Georgia that was published by Oxford University Press states “The Jews of ancient Georgia were doubtless aware of the Jewish identification of Iberia with the Tubal of the Old Testament” (Georgia In Antiquity, David Braund, 1994). [James Lloyd, Gog and Magog Are Gathering Momentum, Christian Media Network]

What race are modern Georgians?

Goergian girl

People of Georgia vary considerably in looks. Some are dark with the stereotypical Turkish features and wide cheekbones. Many others, however, have blonde hair and blue eyes. Which are classic Israelite colorings and distinguishing features.

What race are Georgians? Most people would not be able to tell you.

Georgia has been a highway of invasion for Russians, Persians, Mongols, and Turks, and various other ethnic groups, most modern Georgians have significant Middle Eastern, Turkish, and European admixture [Source].

Genetic evidence shows that they are quite different from the Slavic peoples of Eastern Europe. Seeming to have much more in common genetically to the Turks of the the west [Source].

dna haplogroups

DNA Haplogroups – click here for further information

The reason for this genetic discrepancy, between the Georgians and the white Slavic peoples, might have something to do with the fact that, according to the ancient Georgian Chronicles, the ancestor of the Kartvelian (Georgian) peoples, was Kartlos, the great grandson of the Biblical Japheth. The original Georgians, like the Turks and the Meshki, are another Japhethite race.

Etruscan art hints at the Mongoloid appearance of the Ancient Etruscans.

The black in the pie chart represents the G haplogroup. Its not a haplogroup that is usually associated with white Europeans. It is usually regarded as a Caucasus or Anatolian haplogroup. In fact, it is the very same haplogroup that helped link the Magogian Etruscans of ancient Italy to the Lydians of Asia Minor.

“…Another study showed that the areas of historical Etruscan occupation share a relatively high concentration of y-haplogroup G with Anatolians, and the people of Caucasus, where the haplogroup reaches its greatest presence, particularly amongst the Ossetians and Georgians. This evidence is not specific to any period or calendar date, and might reflect contiguous populations or significant migration far back in the Stone Age.” [Source]

Ossetian facial features look more Mongoloid than typical Georgian facial features. Perhaps this has something to do with the higher percentage of Haplogroup G in the population.

ossetian girl, race, white, turks, haplogroup g

Ossetian Girl

While certainly looking more European than most of the Japhethite tribes. The Mongoloid features in the Ossetians are very apparent. Which confirms our theory that haplogroup G is a Mongoloid or Japhethite genetic type. Since we were able to prove that the Etruscans of Italy were Japhethites originating in Asia Minor, now we can also confirm that Japhethites are indeed a Mongoloid people and not a Caucasoid people.

Haplogroup G is not limited to the Anatolian and Caucasus peoples but is also found as far east as northern China in small percentages. G can reach more substantial percentages in minority groups such as the Uyghurs. The only people that outscores the Ossetians as far as a percentage of haplogroup G goes are the Madjars from Kazakhstan.

Kazakh Madjars

Georgia is a Christian Country

However, there is one small problem, Georgia is a country that is 83.9% Christian.

“There is also in the East another Christian people, who are very warlike and valiant in battle, being strong in body and powerful in the countless numbers of their warriors. They are much dreaded by the Saracens and have often by their invasions done great damage to the Persians, Medes and Assyrians on whose borders they dwell, being entirely surrounded by infidel nations. These men are called Georgians, because they especially revere and worship St. George, whom they make their patron and standard-bearer in their fight with the infidels, and they honor him above all other saints. Whenever they come on pilgrimage to the Lord’s Sepulchre, they march into the Holy City with banners displayed, without paying tribute to anyone, for the Saracens dare in no wise molest them. They wear their hair and beards about a cubit long and have hats on their heads.” [Jacques de Vitry, Patriarch of Jerusalem]

Would a country that has such a high population of Christians really be involved in a war against God’s chosen people?

There was a Neo-Hittite kingdom called Tabal that is located in the Southern part of Asia Minor. The people of Tabal are identified with the Tubals spoken of in the Bible.

Perhaps instead of referring to the Christian state of Georgia, Ezekiel 38 and 39 are referring to Southern Turkey.

***I had a dream in which God was giving me some sort of a history lesson, he said something like this. “The definition of Tubal is both a nation and a…” I woke up immediately afterwards. The Strong’s Concordance word for nation is both “nation” and “people.” Therefore I believe that the modern people living in Georgia today are not who God is talking about. Perhaps Tubal is referring to some of the other Turkish nations.***

What about Russia?

Russia has a very rich history with Christianity. Although the Soviet Union’s persecution of Christians and efforts to destroy Christianity during the era of Soviet oppression were largely successful, Russia has returned to being a Christian stronghold. During the era of the Soviet scare, the Magog theory seemed more plausible. Now Russia is a country that is 86% Christian according to the CIA World Fact Book. Much of the “Russia is Magog” misinformation was propagated during the Cold War. With the Cold War long since finished, perhaps its time to revise these antiquated theories.

“Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it? And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army (Ezekiel 38:15-16)

In the Old Testament, the king of the north has reference to the areas of Syria, Turkey, and Iraq. The word north is used of Syria or the Old Seleucid Empire six times, of Babylon sixteen times, of Assyria one time, and of Iran one time. These are the lands once occupied by Magog, Gomer, Togarmah, Meshech and Tubal.

Meshech, Tubal, Togarmah, Dedan and Syria traded with Tyre six centuries before Christ [Ezek.27:13-16]. These lands clearly define the north. The fact that some scholars equate the names of ancient Middle East cities with modern English cognates is appalling. Meshech is NOT Moscow; Moscow just had its 850th birthday.

Some have interpreted the Hebrew word ‘rosh’ in Ezekiel 38:3, which is translated ‘chief’, to be a reference to Russia. In the Massoretic text the words ‘chief prince’ carry the accents Tiphha and Zaqeph-gadol.

The Tiphha appears under the resh of the Hebrew word ‘rosh’; the Zaqeph-gadol appears on top of the sin of the Hebrew word ‘nish’.

The Tiphha to the right, underneath the initial consonant of the word ‘rosh’, or chief, is prepositive and does not mark the tone syllable. See Kautsch and Cowley’s *Grammar*, page 61 item 9.

The word ‘nish’ or prince has the accent Zaqeph-gadol which is disjunctive and indicates a pause. See Kautsch and Cowley’s *Grammar*, page 60 item 4b.

So Ezekiel 38:3 should be read as follows: “Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the prince, {pause} chief of Meshech and Tubal:” Rosh is not Russia.

The Hebrew word ‘rosh’ is translated head or chief 423 times in the Old Testament. Again, it is absolutely appalling how some scholars can equate the English cognate ‘rosh’ with Russia. Rosh is not Russia.” [The above is from research by Carl Ludwigson]

Where did this myth originate?

“Where did the idea begin that Magog begat the Scythians? It began with one very questionable sentence written by the First Century AD Jewish historian, Josephus in his book The Antiquity of the Jews. The sentence says the Greeks called the “Magogites” the “Scythians” despite the fact that Greeks did not call the Magogites the
Scythians.* Not only is this statement in conflict with the far more detailed writings of other ancient historians (Greek and none Greek) and with ancient Assyrian texts that provide firsthand information about both the people of Magog and Scythians…” [Jeffrey Goodman, The Comets of God, pp. 474]

The Greek historian Herodotus reported three contradictory versions as to the origins of the Scythians, but considered the following to be most likely.

“There is also another different story, now to be related, in which I am more inclined to put faith than in any other. It is that the wandering Scythians once dwelt in Asia, and there warred with the Massagetae, but with ill success; they therefore quitted their homes, crossed the Araxes, and entered the land of Cimmeria.”

Josephus continues with further mistakes in relation to the Gomerites [source], in fact, much of Josephus’ work, in this particular area, not only contradicts other historians, but also contradicts Bible scripture in many places. [J. Miller and J. Hayes, A History of Ancient Israel and Judah, Philadelphia, 1986, pp. 316, 334, 408, and 470]. Many of these mistakes were not found in an Arabic copy of the book. Possibly implying that the few original copies of the Greek version of this book, limited as they were, were doctored in some places by servants of Satan, who were helping to forge evidence that would later be used to help promulgate Satan’s End Times counterfeiting of the Gog and Magog war.
[Above paragraph based on information found in The Comets of God]

It seems that Scythians was a blanket term to describe a whole group of peoples.

Colonel J.C. Gawler’s book Our Scythian Ancestors supplies the answer: “Scythia proper, then, in the times of Herodotus (book iv. cap.101) is described as lying between the Danube and the Don. The Scythian nation was made up of various tribes having different names, though all are classed under one general name. Herodotus distinguishes, moreover, between tribes belonging to the Scythian nation, and tribes living among them having Scythian habits, but who were not Scythians by tradition or language. This distinction is not drawn by all writers.

“The ancient Greeks,” says Strabo, (book i. ii. 27) “classed all the northern nations with which they were familiar under the one name of Scythians, or according to Homer, Nomades.”

“Strabo (book vii. iii. 9) seems to account for this by again pointing out how diverse races inhabiting those parts were all classed by the Greek writers under the name of Scythians. ‘Ephorus, in the fourth book of his history, which is entitled ‘of Europe,’ concludes by saying that there is a great difference in the manner of life, both of the Sauromatae (a mixed race, Herod. iv. 110-117) and the other Scythians; for while some of them are exceedingly morose, and are indeed cannibals (see Herod. iv. 106) others abstain even from the flesh of animals. (See Strabo, xvi. ii. 37, regarding superstitious innovations-abstinence from meat, &c.,- among the followers of Moses.)” (p.3). One of the peoples of the mixed race who were Not Scythian, but were classified, or grouped together with the Scythians was Magog!

The Cold War is over

“Ezekiel tells us that God, [referring to Magog], the nation that will lead all of the other powers of darkness against Israel, will come out of the north. Biblical scholars have been saying for generations that Gog must be Russia. What other powerful nation is to the north of Israel? None. But it didn’t seem to make sense before the Russian revolution, when Russia was a Christian country. Now it does, now that Russia has become communistic and atheistic, now that Russia has set itself against God. Now it fits the description of Gog perfectly.” [Ronald Reagan, 1971]

Upon its release, Lindsay’s Late Great Planet Earth was a book which catapulted to the top of the seller list. This book attempted to describe the world situation since 14 May, 1948 when Israel became a nation. Because Israel is Mystery Babylon the Great, and the real regathering has not happened yet, we can already assume that this book was only released and promoted to such an extent because it was used to promulgate Satan’s great plan. Satan is ruler of this world, he would never let this book reach such a massive level of readership if it threatened his plan in any way. If this book really touched on some great truths it would have never sold 50,000,000 copies, it would have been criticized and Lindsay’s reputation and character would have been assassinated. Satan would not let Lindsay anywhere near talk radio shows such as Coast to Coast AM which is the second largest radio show in America.

“Following a dubious linguistic theory, the paperback writers of pop prophecy have almost universally claimed that Meschech and Tubal are Moscow and Tobolsk – again pointing the theological finger at the Soviet Union. When Late Great was released in 1970, the Cold War was raging and the identification seemed to be exceedingly probable – notwithstanding the fact that several dissident scholars such as Dr. Edwin Yamauchi of Miami University flatly stated the names could not refer to Russia, Moscow, and Tobolsk.

In the case of Late Great’s Hal Lindsey and his close associate writer Chuck Missler, the paperback rapture writer’s response was to plagiarize portions of Yamauchi’s scholarly work Foes From The Northern Frontier, and then twist the good Doctor’s research into the false conclusion that Gog and Magog is Russia. So they not only stole his work, but they then used the plagiarized material to reach a different conclusion!

Lindsey and Missler were caught by the LA Times, and pulled the stolen title (The Magog Factor) from the market, but the modern fiction of Russia as the great invader continues to be widely propagated through books, tapes, tracts, videos, and even popular songs – such as Maranatha’s pop anthem The Cossack Song – where the lyric laments “I wouldn’t want to be a Cossack…headed down Jerusalem way.” [James Lloyd, Gog and Magog Are Gathering Momentum, Christian Media Network]

With the Cold War long since having been ended, and with Russia back to being a Christian nation, unfortunately Russia’s popularity hasn’t improved much within most Christian circles. Lindsay started a tidal wave of groundless Russian xenophobia that has been further driven by most controlled preachers and televangelists. Perhaps this is an intentional part of Satan’s great plan of counterfeiting all of the major prophecies in Revelation and Ezekiel.

Will Satan counterfeit the Gog and Magog war?

Satan knows Bible prophecy like the back of his hand. How is Satan going to deceive scrupulous Bible savvy Christians who are watchful and weary of any moves towards a one world government? These Christians know that the Bible warns about a Satanic End Times kingdom and they would cause an uproar at the formation of such. Satan therefore must disarm these Christians. He must create a puppet Illuminati organization which presides over the creation of this supposed New World Order, he will create a counterfeit of all the major prophecies in Revelation, a counterfeit Antichrist, a counterfeit regathering of Israel [source], a counterfeit Mark of the Beast [source], a counterfeit New World Order, and a counterfeit Mystery Babylon the Great [source]. Then Satan, posing as Yeshua, with the rest of his demonic horde, will come to earth disguised as aliens [source], he will pretend to be the defeater of the New World Order. These Christians, believing that the prophecies have already been fulfilled, will look to Satan as their savior. He will then hand out the real Mark of the Beast, most Christians, believing that Satan was already defeated, will have no problem taking this mark, as they will believe it is Yeshua’s symbol. Satan’s great plan of deception is to make Revelation happen before it actually happens.

“And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts [of armour, even] a great company [with] bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:”(Ezekiel 38:3-5)

Judging by the situation of the world today, it certainly looks like Satan will counterfeit the Gog and Magog war as well. Russia’s relationship with Turkey has improved dramatically since the fall of the Soviet Union. With the recent conflicts between the leaders of Turkey and those of Israel it certainly seems like Turkey is being pushed further into Satan’s corner. With Medvedev in control of Russia, in 2010, relations reached an all time high.

President of Turkey slams Shimon Peres

Russia has been solidifying its ties with the Middle East for years now. Russia has very solid relations with Iran and Syria. Russia supplies both Iran and Syria with weapons and weapon defense systems. Russia has recently sold 72 P-800 cruise missiles to Syria [source].

Putin has recently spoken negatively about the U.N. Security Council resolution supporting military action in Libya. He has compared it to medieval calls for crusades [source]. Russian special forces (Spetsnaz) have been assisting the Libyans in their war against NATO troops [source].

The conflict between Russia and its allies and Israel and its allies is escalating at a frightening rate. Thinks look like they will blow up at any minute.

“The United States has decided to disengage itself from certain obligations on the Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty (CFE). In particular, the USA will no longer inform Russia about the plans connected with the redeployment of its forces. Those restrictions are not touching upon any other country” [source].

“The Begin Sadat Center, a respected think tank based at Bar Ilan University, held a conference on November 23, 2011 on the subject of “Israeli Security in a New Regional Envornment”, which focused on the so-called “Arab Spring” and its implicatons. Its experts concluded that the Arab Spring is not going to result in democracy, despite original hopes in the West, and may make things even worse for Israel.

As steep as the price for hitting Iran may be, a military strike on Iran will be less painful than the cost of living with an Iranian nuclear weapons threat,” argues former Mossad head Maj. Gen. (res.) Danny Yatom. “The backlash from a strike on Iran’s nuclear sites will not be as bad for Israel as will an Iran armed with nuclear weapons,” he says. “I don’t think that those predicting apocalyptic repercussions of a strike on Tehran are correct, and even if they are, Israel can’t afford to wonder if Tehran will go crazy and bomb us” [Source].

Satan will most likely create his own counterfeit Gog and Magog war. He will make it happen before the real one actually happens.

What will really happen during the Gog and Magog war?

First we must cover a very important issue, the Israel in the Middle East is not the real regathering of all Israel spoken of in prophecy. The real regathering will not happen until during the tribulation after Mystery Babylon the Great is destroyed. The nation Israel is in fact a counterfeit, it is really Mystery Babylon the Great. The Israel that is spoken of in these prophecies is referring to the Lost Tribes of Israel.

With this deception cleared up we can shine new light on Ezekiel’s prophecies.

Upon first glance, the following passage of the Bible is very hard to interpret. Compared to other Bible’s, the King James Version does a poor job translating this particular passage. Perhaps the corrupt translators intentionally convoluted its meaning, like they did with the Mark of The Beast prophecy in Revelation 14. Lets use our Strong’s Concordance to get a better idea of what this passage originally meant in Hebrew.

“(Referring to Gog, Magog, Meschech and Tubal) After many days thou shalt be visited: (1) in the latter years thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back (2) from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many people (3), against the mountains of Israel, which have been always (4) waste (5): but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely (6) all of them.”(Ezekiel 38:8 KJV, numbers added by me)

1) Strong’s H6485 common meanings: to attend to, muster, number, reckon, visit, punish, appoint, look after, care for, pay attention to, observe, needed

In this context it seems the best fit would be mustered. Which is how many other Bible’s similarly translate it.

2) Strong’s H7725 common meanings: to return, turn back

In this context it seems the best fit would be turned back from. Like above, many Bible’s translate it the same way.

3) Strong’s H5971 common meanings: people, nation

The best fit here would be nation.

4) Strong’s H8548 common meanings: continuity, perpetuity, to stretch, continually

This word is translated as continually 53 times and continual 26 times. The next closest is Daily at 7 times. Continually makes a far better fit.

5) Strong’s H2723 common meanings: a place laid waste, ruin, waste, desolation

The best fit here would be wasted, desolated or ruined.

6) Strong’s H983 common meanings: securely, safely, it is also translated as carelessly

All of these meanings are suitable. Carelessly makes more sense in my opinion.

Lets translate this passage with the more suitable words and see what we find.

(Referring to Gog, Magog, Meschech and Tubal) After many days thou shalt be mustered: (1) in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that has turned back (2) from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many nations (3), against the mountains (governments, kingdoms) of Israel, which have been continually (4) brought to ruin (5): but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell carelessly (6) all of them. (Ezekiel 38:8 KJV interpreted by me)

Mountain is symbolic of a government or kingdom (Daniel 7:34-35) + (Psalm 30:7; Isaiah 2:2-3; Dan. 2:35, 45; Jer. 51:5).

The above passage seems to be stating that God will muster these Turkish nations against the nations of Israel, meaning the European nations. This passage is alluding to the fact that the Israelites will be under a false sense of security, being careless when Gog attacks.

Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know [it]? (Ezekiel 38:14)

Once again the Bible states clearly that in the end of days Israel will be believing themselves to be safe. As of right now, with all of the escalations with its neighbors, the inhabitants of the nation Israel in the Middle East know they are not safe. A further clue that this is talking about Europe rather than the counterfeit Israel in the Middle East.

And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel: (Ezekiel 39:2)

The north parts here is referring to the north parts during the time of Ezekiel. This is referring to Asia Minor. The mountains of Israel obviously cannot be taken literally. Mountains here is referring to governments and kingdoms of Israel. Similarly how it is used in other prophetic works like Daniel Chapter 7.

And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the [noses] of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call [it] The valley of Hamongog. (Ezekiel 39:11)

valley of hamongog, gog, magog, battle, east of the sea

Here is another passage that should not be taken literally but should be interpreted symbolically like other works of prophecy. Sea is used to represent the Israelite nations and peoples link. This valley of Hamongog will be a graveyard along the eastern parts of the Israelite (European) nations.

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9 Responses to Russia Is Not Gog Magog Meschech Or Tubal

  1. Research Gog and Magog defenders of London. There are statues all over London depicted Gog and Magog as defenders of London. Every year they have a parade in London for the mayor, in the parade they have floats of Gog and Magog. It is said Gog and Magog were 2 Nephilim Giants that the Israelite’s encountered when they settled the land of Britain. They also have Magog Hills in Britain…I have many pictures in my photo album on FB of Gog and Magog in London.

  2. Lone says:

    ..first half is very interesting.. and i agree.. also because ‘Gök’ (turk) etymology should derive from ‘gog’. The mongol tribes attacked Western christianity thrice: when the Goths christianized; then the Tartar invasion, and again to try overrun the Reformation (1500′s) by the Huns

    however
    though i absolutely agree that its an invention ( with an agenda) like ‘gog is russia’,
    gog means ‘rooftop’ , where magog is ‘land of rooftops’. The rooftop is the connection between heaven and earth; and can be translated as ‘dark world ‘, in the sense like when the children of Adam were living on the mountain still, and the perverse humanity was living ‘in the valley nearby ‘ ( Henoch) , the ‘darkened world’.
    It is gog (sata*) and the darkened deluded world, who will (try) attack in a madness the Lord when He will come back to claim what is His ‘. Try to stop the implementation of the 1000 y Kingdom. It is very sad, that at the moment, most believers are, on purpose, misled by edom, when everywhere he spreads his false, fleshy doctrines

    bless

  3. mattt says:

    its already happening… eyes will stray during the olympics… mattrix7E

  4. keeperjoey says:

    Israel is not Babylon, the US is.

    • The US is a counterfeit Mystery Babylon the Great. I will write an article about it shortly. For now please read the article titled “Israel is Mystery Babylon”

      God bless

  5. keeperjoey says:

    Sorry but when some of your writings do not follow scripture it goes from sound doctrine to a doctrine of man, and we are warned about that. Many of your stories are full of biblical inaccuracies that negate most of what you say.

  6. Daniel b says:

    John, you must see the descriptions of the lost tribes as the European Christian cultures in chapter 9 and 10 of http://www.christianidentityrevealed2012.com dan b

  7. Turkey is the seat of the King of the North who will end up being possessed by the prince of Grecia becoming the eighth who was also #5 (the prince of Grecia possessed Alexander the Great) of the seven, making the prince of Grecia the ‘one that was, and is not now, yet will be again’. The king of the North will rule over the 10 Crown Kingdom which will include Syria, Iran, Iraq and seven others, three of which will be uprooted by force. Right now the 3 likely to be uprooted are Syria, Iran, Iraq The 10 Crown Kingdom is poised to form and will be the seventh.
    The prophecy of the total destruction of Damascus leads me to believe Syria may be used as the staging ground for a surprise attack against Israel (but still researching that).

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